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Jpn. 04/17/14 Episode 359: "The Night of the Tragedy"

Chapter 626 Released
Posted by: Shikamaru @ 9:02 am on 4/4/2013

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45 Responses to “Chapter 626 Released”

  1. kjames Says:

    Interesting chapter. Though I feel that a lot of the fight was skipped again. But I supposed Madara faked death then stole that wood clone used to distract him to begin his dream. At least we know how Kurama was stopped

  2. JustACasualObserver Says:

    Madara isn’t evil apparently.He foresaw all this happening but sadly his way of obtaining peace is not the way to achieve it.Also I believe Madara placed a genjutsu on Hashirama.Evidence of this is on pg. 10 bottom panel on the far left.

  3. zeroOne Says:

    i hope we get to see a flashback of the fight through Madara’s PoV. i am really curious to see how Madara survived being skewered like that.

  4. Uchihadomo Says:

    I’m glad this flashback is over. It was getting very boring. I wonder if Sasuke feels annoyed. In the end, the 1st pretty much said, to be a shiobi is to protects one dream and to do anything to achieve that dream.

  5. burning_leaf Says:

    I think Madara used the Izanagi. That would explain why he didn’t have his eye as an old man.

  6. Darth SamAde Says:

    @ 5 I dont think so because by the time he meets obito the eyes were already given to Nagato.

    I think the possibility of a genjitsu being done to fool Hashirama is a strong possibility because Madara was talking like Hashirama was slipping in his focus during the fight. Like his heart was not in it.

    I feel that a veiw of Madara’s perspective on everything has to be done to give us a complete version of the event so that we can completely understand.
    Probably when Madara sees Hashirama on the battlefield it will have a flash back to that day.

  7. JustACasualObserver Says:

    @6 no Madara said that about Hashirama because he changed from when they were younger.They both sought after peace no more wars,but if you will harm no matter their connection to over something you hold precious that will only lead to war which leads to death which leads to revenge & then the cycle continues.

  8. JustACasualObserver Says:

    *if you would harm someone no matter their connection to you over something you hold precious…..

  9. minto Says:

    i think that there is an option that it was like whan kisame fought killer be and zetsu took his place ; maybe he allready had one and done this

  10. minato sennin Says:

    madara using izanagi will be considerble over him placing a genjutsu on hashirama.so far the most effective genjutsu we have seen is a senju genjutsu that is acoustic in nature and can be placed on a very skillful rinnengan user

  11. Dosu Says:

    Madara cannot use Izanagi because he does not have Senju DNA.

  12. Korss Says:

    @Dosu
    Senju DNA extends the time Izanagi is active, but it is not a necessity to use it on any level, just MS is.

  13. Doyen Says:

    Nice chapter, just wondering hw madara escaped death probably due to izanagi and then later killed an uchiha to collect his eye and then developed on hashiramas wood clone. Just assuming anyway i wonder how sasuke would feel concerning this.

  14. Narutoboy18 Says:

    U know something guys I’m not convinced madara used izangi because he still has the stab wound if he had evaded it there would be no wound

  15. Korss Says:

    @ Doyen
    How did Madara get EMS again then? Sharingan- Mangekyou Sharingan- Eternal Mangekyou sharingan- rinnengan. No, something else must have allowed him to survive that stab wound.

  16. Korss Says:

    @ Doyen
    How did Madara get EMS again then? Sharingan- Mangekyou Sharingan- Eternal Mangekyou sharingan- rinnengan. No, something else must have allowed him to survive that stab wound.

  17. Hanzo Says:

    @Narutoboy i feel the same way, i dont think izanagi had a part in this, nor did a genjutsu like tsukuyomi. I can see how people can come to think that cuz it showed his EMS as Hashirama jumped off his mokujin, bt hours had passed since then cuz on the next panel it was night and they were both out of chakra. Also it was stated by madara that the wood clone justsu was the only thing to pull the wool over his eyes, when he had stabbed tsunade with susanoo. But i agree with @Korss as to that he survived due to something else, but thats just my opinion. How did he survive? Idk,im just going to have to wait and see.

    @ Narutoboy, to answer your question last week about EMS sasuke and Killerbee Rematch,you didnt say which Bee so i assumed current with the Samehada. I would have to give it to Bee, even though Sasukes complete Susanoo is badasss and equipped with amaterasu which gives him the edge, i think sasukes charka would be sapped dry when fighting againt the samehada, His susanoo would be countered by Bee’s Partial transformations and i think susanoo is pure chakra so i think its energy can be absorbed which would amp up its power. Sasukes susanoo may be perfect but he doesn’t know how to stabalize its chakra, and susanoo can be broken as seen when he fought the five kage and when they fought madara.I also believe that Bee’s 8tails transformation would be able to trump susanoo as well. Bt thats just my opinion lol

  18. Itachi_True_Shinobi Says:

    @Korss Danzo used izanagi without MS even.
    This chapter was not that revealing. Just a few scraps about madara attacking the village more than once, and a temporal irregularity regarding Oonoki’s fight with Madara.( hair, konoha headband, even though he defected before the other villages formed) . The 1st’s superiority over his successors is emphasized as he alone was able to make the decision to kill a friend/apprentice. Don’t know how things will go on. Will Oro ask for his pound of flesh? will he be able to continue controlling the hokage if the 1st decides to act?Most importantly, what will sasuke decide after this info?

  19. Jimbo Says:

    I think it was genjutsu on madara’s part. If you look at chapter 577, he said “I was the only one to see through this (wood clone) as his enemy in the old days.” So from this we can infer that he saw through the wood clone and faked his death somehow to end the battle and escape with Hashirama’s power. not sure if it was izanagi or not, but I’m prety sure something happened along those lines

  20. narutoboy18 Says:

    @hanzo yes i did mean with samehada and i never thought about it abosrbing his susano charka. Although i think it would be inuried if it tried to absorb amatersu because remember it screamed absorbing itachi fire release. But ya never thought of it absorbing susano charka which could weaken it enough for killer bee to break through. Also guys isnt it possible he surrived purely on luck? i mean maybe the first missed a vital i mean madara was a tough guy maybe he just surrvived on luck or maybe someone found him and healed him like how he healed obito. Maybe his dad, maybe a stranger who happened to be walking along who knows. im just giving food for thought.

  21. Aeneas7 Says:

    @12
    “The Rikudou’s powers were passed on to the Uchiha and Senju, and only one containing both of their power can use the jutsu.”

    Nope, you need both to use Izanagi. Izanagi originated with the Sage, and the only way to use it is to have claimed both of his bloodlines. Rinnegan is the same way ironically. We can assume that Madara obtained Izanagi around the time he obtained the Rinnegan considering they have the same requirements. (Except we assume Rinnegan requires the EMS before it can be activated though this hasn’t been confirmed either).

    Therefore, Madara couldn’t have had access to Izanagi at this point because he did not have the Rinnegan.

  22. Aeneas7 Says:

    Just to clarify my previous post, however, I’m not saying that Izanagi REQUIRES the Rinnegan to be used. I’m saying that because they have very similar pre-requisites, generally one who obtains would should have obtained the other. Danzo is an exception because
    1. He’s not an Uchiha
    2. He hadn’t obtained any form of Sharingan about 3-tomoe, so he couldn’t obtain Rinnegan. (again, assuming Rinnegan requires EMS)

    Obito is another exception because he never obtained EMS, so he can’t activate Rinnegan. But he can use Izanagi because of his own Uchiha DNA and the Zetsu / Hashirama DNA that he obtained from Madara. (He can steal another’s Rinnegan though which is exactly what he did)

  23. Aeneas7 Says:

    *Generally one who obtains one should have obtained the other.

    *He hadn’t obtained any form of Sharingan above 3-tomoe.

  24. Korss Says:

    OK to clarify my last post. Madara could use Izanagi at his battle at VotE. But he have short time period because he does not have Senju DNA at the time. As he aged thereafter his eyes ended up with having access to Rinnengan. However if he had used Izanagi he would have lost one eye and thus would need to gain another brother pair of MS to get an EMS. How likely is that? Not too much in my book.
    Generally I assume any sharingan jutsu with the exception of the generic Sharingan Genjutsu to need MS.

  25. Korss Says:

    OK to clarify my last post. Madara could use Izanagi at his battle at VotE. But he have short time period because he does not have Senju DNA at the time. As he aged thereafter his eyes ended up with having access to Rinnengan. However if he had used Izanagi he would have lost one eye and thus would need to gain another brother pair of MS to get an EMS. How likely is that? Not too much in my book.
    Generally I assume any sharingan jutsu with the exception of the generic Sharingan Genjutsu to need MS.

  26. Korss Says:

    OK to clarify my last post. Madara could use Izanagi at his battle at VotE. But he have short time period because he does not have Senju DNA at the time. As he aged thereafter his eyes ended up with having access to Rinnengan. However if he had used Izanagi he would have lost one eye and thus would need to gain another brother pair of MS to get an EMS. How likely is that? Not too much in my book.
    Generally I assume any sharingan jutsu with the exception of the generic Sharingan Genjutsu to need MS.

  27. narutoboy18 Says:

    @kross did u mean to write ok to repeat my last post?

  28. Korss Says:

    @narutoboy18
    No, not really. And please be one comment and not two or three or god forbid ten.

  29. Korss Says:

    @narutoboy18
    No, not really. And please be one comment and not two or three or god forbid ten.

  30. Aeneas7 Says:

    @Korss
    You just repeated your last post.

    According to various Naruto wikia, the manga, and this website itself, Izanagi CANNOT be used AT ALL if the user does not have Senju AND Uchiha DNA. Therefore, Madara can NOT use Izanagi at this point.

    So no, it’s not that he would lose an eye. He CAN’T use it until AFTER the battle.

  31. zeroOne Says:

    Aeneas7 is correct you DO need both Senju and Uchiha DNA to use Izanagi.

  32. Korss Says:

    OK I don’t want to dicuss Izanagai further so here goes a copy from the dedicated Naruto Wikia. “To make full use of Izanagi, users must also have the genetic traits of the Senju, who are also descended from the Sage. Partially for this reason Danz? had some of Hashirama Senju’s DNA transplanted into his arm, which extended the lifespan of each Sharingan’s Izanagi to a minute, allowing him to use the technique for up to ten minutes in total, with breaks in between as he deemed necessary. However, because Danz? is not an Uchiha, his chakra levels drop substantially every time a new Sharingan is used to activate the technique. Obito also makes use of Hashirama’s DNA but, in contrast to Danz?, he claims to have gained control over Hashirama’s DNA and as such, boasts the completed form of Izanagi.” How difficult was that? You have the subpar Izanagi given to you by a simple 3 tomoe sharingan and then you have the one you get for having Senju DNA as well.

  33. Aeneas7 Says:

    “The creative power of Izanagi was first used the Rikudou Sennin. Izanagi uses the mind and spiritual power of Yin to shape reality, and the vitality and physical power of Yang to give it life. The Rikudou used that same power to create the Bijuu from the Juubi. The Rikudou’s powers were passed on to the Uchiha and Senju, and only one containing both of their power can use the jutsu.”

    It seems we are at an impasse. I guess either one of us could be right.

    At this point, it doesn’t really matter. The end result is that Madara is unable to use Izanagi whether the reason is that he can’t or that he doesn’t want to – we both get the same outcome.

  34. Korss Says:

    OK maybe I should have been a bit more specific.
    “Partially for this reason Danzo had some of Hashirama Senju’s DNA transplanted into his arm, which extended the lifespan of each Sharingan’s Izanagi to a minute,”
    But I think we have to agree Madara needs to have his own EMS to get Rinnegan in the end, because how huge is the chance of another brother pair to have MS at the time that would not be missed?

  35. Aeneas7 Says:

    We have both seen various wikia and websites, etc. each with different info. At this point, it’s dependent on which website is correct which isn’t something I’m trying to prove right now.

    Again, however, regardless of the reason, Madara either can’t or does not want to use Izanagi.

    Also, we don’t know enough about the nature of EMS and Izanagi to make some of these assumptions. We know that MS causes an Uchiha to go blind – the eye “loses its light.” Izanagi seems to have the same effect: the eye that is used also “loses its light.”

    EMS negates the loss of light in MS. Has anyone considered the possibility that EMS could negate the loss of light after the use of Izanagi in the same way that it prevents MS’s loss of light?

  36. Korss Says:

    I primarily use this site or Naruto.wikia. And about how EMS handles various jutsu’s, I believe that have been talked about on various forums since both EMS and Izanagi was revealed. But like most things I doubt a clear answer was finalized.
    But I agree most of this will not be capable of being resolved until we have more info.

  37. Doyen Says:

    Ok got it nw thanks

  38. Aeneas7 Says:

    I also primarily use this site or Naruto.wikia – the quote that I got about how Izanagi can only be used with Uchiha and Senju DNA came from here. But, I did also see Naruto.wikia’s quote which you posted. Clearly, this website and Naruto.wikia contradict each other.

  39. Korss Says:

    Ok this is not meant to be hate on this site as it is great, at least its community is.
    I read over the Bloodline limit page as well as the Uchiha page and I found at least one thing that is wrong.
    Darui’s storm release is not Clan based, and Mei and Kuratschui’s (can not spell her name) as well is not clan based.
    Ok this is not something I am sure about but a bit more speculative.
    I think that both of these are in fact a kekkei Tota, for those that have not read that line before this is an Advance bloodline limit. The only confirmed one is Dust release of Muu and current Tschukage. But I think that Both Storm, Lava, and really almost any of them that is based around creating one or two new elements. Seeing as they don’t seem to be based around passing it down through genes directly it is based more around training someone with the necessary skills to already wield it. Like Yamato perhaps he could have been trained by a Mokton user to use Mokton, but things like Oro’s experiment helped him achive a low tier of it on his own through private training.

    Hope this is not written to bad as its 2 o clock at nigth here. Good night leaf.

  40. Aeneas7 Says:

    Yes, I agree it is very speculative. But, just a question: How do you know that they are not clan based? Nothing that I’ve seen thus far suggests that they CAN’T be clan based. I can understand skepticism, but it’s totally possible.

    Naruto.wikia like Leafninja also confirms the techniques as “Kekkei Genkai” which does imply that they are based on blood and genes. Considering that lava release is present in multiple nations and seemingly non-related users, I can understand why someone would question that.

    Clans generally have innate predispositions and attractions to certain elements. That’s why it would make sense that multiple clans that could have these same innate predispositions can utilize the same Kekkei Genkai that is formed by the simultaneous use of two elements. If 2 different clans generally use Fire and Earth, then both of these clans can potentially use Lava. The technique is still a Kekkei Genkai, but it is more commonly found. (This is also speculation as you can see)

    To be honest, I think that if so many Kekkei Tota were running around, they probably wouldn’t be classified as “Kekkei Tota” considering the implications of that name. And, it wouldn’t have been such a big deal for a “Kekkei Tota User” – Onoki – to appear if there were so many of them to begin with.

  41. bigrigjutsu Says:

    Based on ch 612 page 10 (depending which site you go to) I go with the site and say darui skill is clan based.

  42. Aeneas7 Says:

    @41
    Good find.
    In case anyone was wondering, that page features a large group of cloud ninjas (and Darui with them) firing Storm element attacks.

    In the same chapter, a large group of Shinobi from Earth also fire a Lava based element attack.

    Like I said, there was no reason to assume that these aren’t clan based. This actually leads me to believe that they ARE clan based.

  43. Korss Says:

    Why I believe Darui’s Storm release is A kekkei Tota is the fact that lika Muu and Tchukage he learned it from a one of the earlier Raikage. Again not based on a bloodline and so far I can not remember seeing anyone else.The only page one my site that Darui is on in that chapter showcase him and Cloud ninja’s use a Raiton jutsu, not Storm. Ok after that they did use Laser Circus a Storm release.
    Yes from what I started the Kekkei Tota should not be that big of a leap up from the normal KKG.
    I have no doubt other villages have clans, just seems a bit weird that two clans on each their side of the continent would have the same bloodline limit. Yes, I see your point. Still there should be something more about these special jutsu’s that don’t pass through bloodline but training- and apparently across continents.
    I think morning tiredness is not as good as late night tiredness.

  44. Aeneas7 Says:

    Ah yeah, I understand what you’re saying.
    To be honest, I think it’s a degree of both.

    I think that it passes through clans / bloodlines… However, if someone who is not from a specific clan with that bloodline has an affinity for the elements, they can still learn the technique.

    If, for example, a ninja from Leaf village has an affinity for Lightning and Water elements, he can still go to Darui and learn Storm element from him, and then, they could go on to be some great master of Storm Element from the Leaf village.

    But, Darui’s blood itself and his own clan is likely to carry that same affinity which is why his clan probably excels at using Storm element. But, they are not the only ones who are capable of using it.

    We should also note that the technique that Darui learned from the 3rd Raikage was Black Lightning – NOT Storm element. So that part of your statement isn’t quite correct. We actually don’t know where Darui learned Storm element. I presume it was in / from his clan.

  45. Korss Says:

    Oh, thanks I completely forgot that it was Black lightning and not Storm. Hehe OK. That fixes up my confusion about Storm release and Gin-Kin bro’s statement.




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